# Stop with the suburban setbacks

By [Brandon Donnelly](https://brandondonnelly.com) · 2024-12-01

toronto, berlin, setbacks, suburban, wide-street, light-rail-transit, towers-in-a-park

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I'll be the first to admit that I have an urban bias. I like walkable narrow streets. I like being able to cycle around. And I like not having to drive when I want to do things. But this can create a city-building blindspot and [Paul Kulig](https://x.com/PaulKulig_TO), Principal at [Perkins&Will Toronto](https://perkinswill.com), reminded me of that this week. [Here's a tweet](https://x.com/PaulKulig_TO/status/1862689349919547534) where he compares two streets, both of which have a right-of-way width somewhere around 40m:

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Both these streets have similar, 40+ metre rights-of-way. One is designed for people, the other prioritizes getting 18-wheelers on and off the 400.

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9:45 PM • Nov 29, 2024

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The image on the left is Prenzlauer Allee in Berlin. And the image on the right is Finch Avenue West in Toronto. Despite both having light rail running down the middle, one of these streets is walkable, vibrant, and generally urban, and the other is _very suburban_. What this reminds us is that a wide street isn't necessarily an insurmountable challenge. It's ultimately how we design that street that is the make or break.

Here's another look at Prenzlaurer Allee:

![](https://storage.googleapis.com/papyrus_images/6d3f1adb02fcd634b747827aae063654.png)

In addition to transit running down the middle of it, it also has a ton of on-street parking. In many cases, the cars are parked perpendicular to the curb. So it's not like this street isn't also accommodating to motorists. The key differentiator is how the buildings are placed. They come right up to the street and are accompanied by a great pedestrian realm (note all the patios below).

![](https://storage.googleapis.com/papyrus_images/b9e2e27b3586581118da30cc0469b945.png)

This is one of the things that Toronto needs to be focused on following the investments made in public transit on streets like Finch and Eglinton. We don't want generous setbacks on these streets. Make them 0m. Towers in a park kill any chance of street life. We can talk all we want about "active frontages" on our arterial roads, but who wants to sit on a patio on a street like Finch? Nobody.

But as Berlin shows, there's absolutely no reason why we couldn't change that. Thanks for the reminder, Paul.

_Cover photo via Google Street View_

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*Originally published on [Brandon Donnelly](https://brandondonnelly.com/stop-with-the-suburban-setbacks)*